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toshba test #3
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is waiting between milk and meat a rabbinic law or torah law?
3 sources of waiting between meat and milk in the gemara:
1. if one were to eat meat, he is prohibited from eating cheese, however after one eats cheese, they could eat meat
2. asks a question about meat stuck between your teeth
A: Its a passuk in the torah: "and the meat was stuck in between their teeth"
3. מר עוקבא compares himself to his father and says "I am like vinegar, son of wine"
--> he is praising his father because when he would eat meat; he would wait a whole 24 hours to eat milk
--> but מר עוקבא says he eats meat at one meal and would wait till the next meal to eat dairy
why do we wait between meat and milk?
1. Rashi- when you eat meat, the oil comes out and sticks to your mouth, the taste of the meat is lingering in your mouth
2. rambam- the meat gets stuck between your teeth, and it doesn't just go away by wiping your teeth
what does 6 hours help?
rashi: after 6 hours the taste goes away
rambam: after 6 hours, its not considered neat anymore
נפקא מינה between rashi and rambam:
1. if you have meat in a liquid form
rashi: you ate meat, so youre fleishig
rambam: didnt eat meat, wouldn't be fleshig
2. if you ate meat and you floss
rashi: you still have to wait cause the taste is still in your mouth
rambam: you no longer have to wait cause you got the meat out
3. If after 6 hours, you have now discovered that you have meat between your teeth. do you remove it?
rashi: have to remove the meat
rambam: dont have to remove the meat, doesn't have the status of meat anymore
4. back in the day, mothers would chew up the food for their babies
rashi: taste is stil in your mouth
rambam: yes you need to wait, you chewed meat so its stuck in your teeth
how long do we wait between meat and milk?
--> all we get from the gemara is that we wait from meal to meal
so is this an interval of time or actually meal to meal?
1. interval of time: when the gemara tells us meal to meal, its talking about an interval of time--> rambam: meal to meal= 6 hours
-- in the times of the gemara, the first meal was at around 11am, then they would have dinner (only 2 meals a day)
-- when rambam read the gemara, he knew this so the time interval is lunch to dinner= 6 hours
2. Tosfot: gemara is not talking about time interval
--> you could eat milk the next meal, doesn't matter how much time
--> what is the definition of the end of the meal?
-benching (after you bench, you could have dairy)
which should we follow? who decides what we follow?
--> the shulchan aruch decides Halacha because rav Yosef Cairo was great and his work was accepted
--> Shulchan Aruch: follows opinion of Ramban
--> Ramah: agrees with tosfot, however the current מנהג in Poland is to wait 1 hour, but its not the significant hour, its insufficient to wait 1 hours, so make sure you bench. As long as you bench anytime within that hour, you're good
Even though I'm telling you this, there are those people that are meticulous and really careful and they wait 6 hours, and im endorsing 6 hours
Why do so few breads have a kosher sign?
Gemaras says: one may not make dairy bread
one may not make meat bread
why cant we make meat or dairy bread?
- we always assume that bread is parve, so therefore the rabbis made this decree
- cant make dairy bread because you may come to eat it with meat
what are the 2 exceptions?
1. if the bread you're making is for one meal, then its fine
2. make the bread clearly evident that its dairy or meat
(Ramah: on Shavuot a minhag is to make dairy bread, on shabbat a mintage is to make meat bread)
The English muffin is dairy, yet it has a hashgacha and is kosher. How could this be? why is the Ou giving English muffins a hashgacha?
1. Muffins have a unique shape
- bagels are bread-- many functions have bagels and they have become bread substitutes. With English muffins this never happened--> they never were a generic bread
--therefore can be dairy cause its not a bread
--> Rav Schacter rejects this: he ways when you go down the isle at the store, there are many different brands of English muffins and many of them are parve. so these are becoming a generic bread, just like a bagel
2. theres a concept called ביטול--> when something gets nullified with something else. It tells you that if the majority is kosher, therefore you could eat it. In Halacha, majority rules, unless the tastes of one food goes to another
Another concept: טעם בעיקר--> when the taste of a food infiltrates into another food, there is a problem.
the taste is negated when the ration is 1 to 60 (בטל בששים)
-milk going into meat is בטל בששים
--> in the English muffin it is less than a ratio of 1 to 60 of milk to the other ingredients
- we know that dairy milk is prohibited, but what if the milk is so little that the ratio is less than 1 to 60?
--A: because the milk is so little, its ok
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